Episode 150 |

Unlock Mysteries with Lucid Dreaming with Charlie Morley

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This Week’s Guest:

Have you ever had a dream in which you realized you were dreaming? Did you control what happened in your dream even though you were aware that your body was asleep in bed? Or did you realize that you were having a nightmare and tried to wake yourself up? If you’ve ever had either of those experiences, you’ve gotten a taste of lucid dreaming. If you’re ready for more than a taste, and want to unlock the power of being conscious that you’re dreaming, tune into this episode!


My guest, Charlie Morley, is the bestselling author of three books, including Dreaming Through Darkness, whose works have been translated into 11 languages. Charlie is a sought-after teacher on lucid dreaming and shadow work who has run retreats and workshops across two decades and over 20 countries. Today, we’ll take a deep dive into lucid dreaming, exploring what it is and how you can harness its incredible power to improve your life.

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In This Episode:

  • [01:40] – Charlie defines lucid dreaming for listeners who may not be familiar with the term. He also talks about the strength of nightmares.
  • [04:16] – We hear about Charlie’s new book, Dreaming Through Darkness, and why acceptance doesn’t mean endorsement.
  • [07:09] – If you’re trying to integrate the shadow into the rest of you, what is a shadow attack?
  • [10:41] – The first step toward lucid dreaming is writing down your dreams, Charlie explains, and dream interpretation is a different thing.
  • [15:26] – Charlie doesn’t think that lucid dreaming is “better” than any of the other ways of getting in touch with the unconscious mind, but it goes to the deepest state of being unconscious.
  • [17:53] – We hear more about Charlie’s experience with tantric meditation.
  • [19:56] – What happens if you fall off the figurative “north face” as you try to take the fast track up the meditation mountain?
  • [24:31] – Has Charlie tried ayahuasca? He answers, and then he and Stephan talk about how and when to use ayahuasca.
  • [29:41] – Charlie talks about Sam Harris, who has interesting views on psychedelics.
  • [34:56] – We go back to neuroscience, with Charlie discussing the neuroscientific aspects of lucid dreaming.
  • [38:31] – Stephan talks about his experience during the 40 Years of Zen week, and relates it to lucid dreaming.
  • [41:44] – How would Charlie recommend accessing more bliss through a lucid dream?
  • [43:34] – Charlie addresses the myth that you’ll die in real life if you die within a dream.
  • [45:52] – We hear about how to learn lucid dreaming, as well as what some of Charlie’s most common lucidity triggers are.
  • [51:00] – Charlie talks about Dr. Clare Johnson, who used lucid dreaming as part of her writing process.
  • [52:53] – Charlie digs deeper into the topic of ecstatic dance and other movement meditations.
  • [58:08] – We hear a quick snapshot of Charlie’s newest book, Dreaming Through Darkness.
  • [59:25] – How can listeners get in touch with Charlie or learn more about him?

Links and Resources:

Your Checklist of Actions to Take:

☑ Research and gain interest in lucid dreaming to have more clarity on the meaning of my dreams.

☑ Don’t wake myself up from nightmares. Instead, go through the dream and find out what these nightmares are trying to tell me.

☑ Pay attention to what my subconscious is trying to tell me. Oftentimes, these neuro-linguistic messages contain answers to my present life.

☑ Accept and embrace my shadows and realize that they aren’t necessarily dark or evil. They can also be bright parts of myself.

☑ Don’t be ashamed to hide my own light or intelligence.

☑ Move to the places that scare me when I am in a lucid dream. When I embrace my fears, I get to deal with trauma, stress and struggle.

☑ Write my dreams in a dream journal to help me analyze significant sequences of my subconscious mind.

☑ Utilize other forms or processes that tap into my subconscious mind. It can be through ecstatic dance, psychedelics, or meditation.

☑ Train my mind and body to be in a constantly enlightened state. Just as athletes train regularly to stay in shape, my mind needs to train as well.

☑ Grab a copy of Charlie Morley’s book, Dreaming through Darkness.



S: Dreams aren’t just busy work to keep our minds occupied while the processes of garbage collection and memory consolidation are occuring, dreams are actually a gateway to something quite powerful. Lucid dreams–even more so. If you’ve seen the movies Inception or Vanilla Sky, then I bet you’d find the idea of lucid dreaming fascinating. You are about to get blown away in this episode number 150 where we go deep into the concept of lucid dreaming with a world-class expert, Charlie Morley. He’s the bestselling author of Dreaming Through Darkness. In fact, Charlie’s written three books which has been translated into 11 languages. Charlie’s a sought-after teacher on lucid dreaming and shadow work over the last decade. He has run retreats and workshops in more than 20 countries. Charlie, it’s great to have you on the show.


C: Great to be here, man. Thank you.


S: Let’s talk about lucid dreaming. First of all, we have a lot of listeners who aren’t even familiar with that term so let’s define it for folks.


C: Okay. A lucid dream is a dream where you know that you’re dreaming as the dream is happening. You are in the dream, you’re aware that you’re sound asleep, that your body is sleeping in your bed, but you have woken up within the dream. It’s the awakening of the reflective consciousness within the seemingly unconscious REM dream state. This is all being scientifically verified. Whether your listeners know that, whether your listeners need that or need to know that, is perhaps beside the point because many of them listen to this and say, “Oh, I’ve had one of those dreams, where I’m in the dream and I’ve gone, ‘Oh, hey this is all a dream.’” Those who haven’t had that, maybe they’ve had a nightmare, where in the nightmare they go, “Oh, wow. This is a nightmare. I’ve got to wake up.” If we try and wake ourselves from a nightmare, we have to acknowledge that were in fact lucid in that nightmare. A nice tip actually is not to wake yourself from your nightmares. Stay in your nightmares for as long as you can.


S: Oh, really. Why is that?


C: Well, every time you wake from a nightmare, the psychological trauma that has created the nightmare just says, “Okay. See you next week.” This is why our nightmares recur so much more than our seemingly happy dreams.


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